Posts by Nathan Natas

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Counter Productive Witnessing Questions

by Vanderhoven7 in

a part of me would like to ask jws the following questions...but i know it would be rude and counter-productive.

so i also know i can expect some flack.. how well do you know your organization's history?

1. when, according to the wts did god promise to usher in a safe and secure new world order before those who witnessed the events of 1914 pass away?

Nathan Natas

My pleasure everyone, thank you; the honor is to serve.

But always remember, the first rule of Bible Fight Club is: Never talk about Bible Fight Club!

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Counter Productive Witnessing Questions

by Vanderhoven7 in

a part of me would like to ask jws the following questions...but i know it would be rude and counter-productive.

so i also know i can expect some flack.. how well do you know your organization's history?

1. when, according to the wts did god promise to usher in a safe and secure new world order before those who witnessed the events of 1914 pass away?

Nathan Natas

Listener, if memory serves W. E. van Amburgh's 1924 "The Way to Paradise" (the forerunner of the pink "Paradise" book) actually presented this scenario.

See Chapter XI, "Princes in All the Earth," page 228

"...Let us suppose that you are living after the kingdom is established and the blessings have begun to flow out to the people in abundant measure. Of course it will take some time to get things in smoothly running order after the great stress between now and 1926. It may be ten years or more before you get your home all fixed up, and the gardens bringing forth the luscious fruits and appetizing vegetables in abundance. Even if it takes a while longer you will be that much better prepared. You will have secured the services of the best decorators you can find. Some of them used to be undertakers; but since there are no more people dying, they have had to seek some new occupation. Their experience as undertakers prepared them to become decorators with very little difficulty.

You have made all preparations for father and mother. The home is all ready; a special room is prepared for them, fitted with everything yon can think of that might give pleasure I and delight. You then call up thc princes at Jerasalein, state your case, and make request that your father and your mother might be awakened. In joyful expectancy you wait. Some morning you hear talking in the room you have prepared. There was no one there last night. You know that there are no thieves or intruders ; for all such experiences have been eliminated. You do not need to be fearful; so you listen at the door. You hear father's familiar voice saying, "Motlier, where are we? Are we dreaming? Why, I thought I attended your funeral last summer; then I was taken sick, and they had the doctor, and that is the last I can remember." Mother says : "I don't understand it either, Dear. The last I can remember is that I was so sick, and you and the doctors were standing at the bedside, and you were holding my hand. What has happened? We are not sick now, and this room is different from any room I ever saw. It is so beautiful anti everything is so peaceful. Just hear those birds sing, and did you ever? Why, where did you get that suit of clothes "you are as handsome as you were on our wedding day."

Father exclaims: "Well, suppose you give me a chance to ask you some questions I Where did you get that dress? You must be getting stylish in your old age. And you needn't talk to me about being good-looking. Look into the glass yourself. Well, I wonder what has happened, anyway. Are we in heaven or crazy or what?" You can stand it no longer. With heart running over with joy and all excitement, you burst open the door and rush in exclaiming, 'O Father! O Mother! you are neither, in heaven nor crazy. You are just here, your old dear selves. Yes! you are really here. I am so glad, so happy, that I don't know what to do. I just want to look at you, and love you, and touch you, to be sure you are really alive again. My! but you are looking well. I never saw you looking so handsome !" [story continues for several more pages.]

You can find poor quality free download copies of The Way to Paradise online, or you can purchase a high quality replica reprint from LuLu.com that I produced several years ago if you wish. The bulk of the price of the LuLu version is LuLu's cost of production and distribution. I make a couple of dollars.

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The clown factory at Warwick

by Sour Grapes in

it just amazes me how the clown factory at the borgs basilica in warwick could produce 8 clown popes that act like self-licking ice cream cones and the jdubs take them so seriously.

if the popes said that they were going to have a bible signing session at a king dumb hall 8 hours away that so many jdubs would make the trip the town would be swamped with traffic.. you know what is truly sad is when during jdub public prayers, the governing body gets more praise than the head of the congregation.

all jesus gets is the final "in jesus name.".

Nathan Natas

Kudos on "clown factory"!

I think that in addition to self-licking there may also be some mutual licking going on too. You know those Bethel Boys!

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Is there a Will..?

by zeb in

jw
friends

have begun to update my will.. for some who have very severe divisions in family it would be a good idea to avoid orgs or undesirable relatives claiming part of your estate and more to the point making sure it goes to what or who you wish it too.. live long and prosper in wisdom..

Nathan Natas

ANYONE can jump off their roof, too, but that doesn't mean they'll be delighted with the outcome.

Get the assistance of a lawyer who specializes in wills and Estate Planning, and tell them why you want your will to be titanium-reinforced kevlar. Be honest with them.

On the other hand, you might be able to get The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society to help you write a will for free.

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Someone had been attempting to destroy Kingdom Halls in Thurston county washington state.

by Crazyguy in

and has finally succeeded in burning one to the ground.

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Nathan Natas

I think we need to protect the identity of the arsonist so that we don't make Jehovah look bad.

Isn't that how the song goes?

...and if Jehovah has not struck the arsonist with Divine Justice within a period of seven years, isn't that a sign that Jehovah has forgiven him? (I say "him" only because statistically arsonist are more likely to be former Boy Scouts who grew too attached to their Campfire Merit Badges. For all I know the arsonist could be a woman or a pangolin who self-identifies as an emu. I'm not here to judge.)

Leave it in Jehovah's hands, I say! Keep the secular authorities OUT OF IT.

Hey Bud, got a light?

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Did Ray Franz Help You To Get Out of “The Truth”?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i sneakily read his books at work.

it was written in such a way that no one could accuse him of being another bitter old apostate.. once it registered in my brain, especially after reading the second book, i knew i had to get out!.

Nathan Natas

...OK, truth be told, I have scanned some sections of the book, but Ray Franz is not my "spiritual father" -- that honor goes to my good friend and confidant Willis C. and to Barbra G. Harrison, in a sense.

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Did Ray Franz Help You To Get Out of “The Truth”?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i sneakily read his books at work.

it was written in such a way that no one could accuse him of being another bitter old apostate.. once it registered in my brain, especially after reading the second book, i knew i had to get out!.

Nathan Natas

Ha ha Ha!

Ray wrote CoC in 1983, at least five years AFTER I found out that a pedophile in the Middle Village Queens NY congregation was being PROTECTED by our lily-livered "elders."

I don't owe Ray SQUAT. Furthermore, he maintained that he knew NOTHING about a pedophile problem in the WTB&TS. Was he ignorant, naive, or a liar? That's above my pay grade, as they say.

To this day I have not read CoC cover-to-cover because i doubt it has anything in it that would influence my choices.

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Leaders or liars

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

i was a thriving regular pioneer, doing all thr things wholeheartedly, had 16 bible studies, 7 attending meetings regularly, 11 magazine routes and 100's of rv's.

you can imagine i was always runnin out of literature and always a good list of books to order every month.

(not bragging,just stating facts.all this is wasted anyway).

Nathan Natas

Don't worry, ZNMD, proceed at the speed that suits YOU.

This is a no-pressure kind of place; almost everyone here is 'recovering' or is very close to someone who is.

Also be comfortable knowing that this site doesn't try to cram you into a box and say, in effect, "Now that you've left the JWs, you MUST become a member of my cult!" so here you will find JWs who became Bible Students, JWs who became Catholics, JWs who became Muslim, Hindu, Wiccan,... you name it, we probably have one, even (whispering) Atheists!

All are welcome and no collection is taken! Sound familiar?

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Leaders or liars

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

i was a thriving regular pioneer, doing all thr things wholeheartedly, had 16 bible studies, 7 attending meetings regularly, 11 magazine routes and 100's of rv's.

you can imagine i was always runnin out of literature and always a good list of books to order every month.

(not bragging,just stating facts.all this is wasted anyway).

Nathan Natas

First, ZNMD, as one who was a regular pioneer (in NYC), I have to sincerely commend you on your personal performance when you were pioneering.

YES, looking back we know that we were duped and that the WTB&TS is a steaming pile of stinking horse crap, but in context, you took a job (so to speak) and YOU DID IT. If we were looking at a Bell Curve of pioneer performance for any category, YOU would be well over on the right side beyond the median, while _I_ would have been far to the left, anchoring the base of the curve.

In Real Life I was more like you, job performance wise. I'm interested in hearing more of your story. Where did you pioneer? Are you an XJW now? How did you get out? What was your "exit experience" like? How are you doing now?

I look forward to more posts from you, but not four at a time.

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